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shoyon456 · Aug 12, 2010, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Age

btw.Why complete your HoM when it really wont have any impact in GW2 especially for Monks,Ritualists,Dervish and Paragons?

Like said, it won't work like that...but it certainly is a kick in the groin if that's your main

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Why would someone who doesn't already have GW1 go back to playing it after trying the "new and improved" GW2? HoM rewards are going to be exclusive for the HoM, but they aren't going to give you an advantage and frankly the time spent title grinding can never be worth any silly title or skin you may get in GW2.

Ghost Dog · Aug 12, 2010, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Why would someone who doesn't already have GW1 go back to playing it after trying the "new and improved" GW2? HoM rewards are going to be exclusive for the HoM, but they aren't going to give you an advantage and frankly the time spent title grinding can never be worth any silly title or skin you may get in GW2.

I agree with this, I have always had the feeling that the HoM rewards will degrade in usefulness (EDIT: and appeal) with every new weapon and armor discovery.

@ Femmefatal you CLEARLY have no idea how the gaming industry operates nor have you done any real research about gw2.

Mintha Syl · Aug 12, 2010, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Why would someone who doesn't already have GW1 go back to playing it after trying the "new and improved" GW2? HoM rewards are going to be exclusive for the HoM, but they aren't going to give you an advantage and frankly the time spent title grinding can never be worth any silly title or skin you may get in GW2.

Uhm, beacuse they want to know more about the previous lore? Ok this not much, but if you like a game you could be tempted to say: "hey if this is cool the 1 can be as well" or maybe even, reading details, will say: "hey, the 1 had this feature I would like but they changed it in the 2" and so on. There's a lot of possible reasons. And as the 2 will not be all in all "better" than the 1 (it's all subjective) but just different...people could be interested in trying both.

shoyon456 · Aug 12, 2010, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

Uhm, beacuse they want to know more about the previous lore? Ok this not much, but if you like a game you could be tempted to say: "hey if this is cool the 1 can be as well" or maybe even, reading details, will say: "hey, the 1 had this feature I would like but they changed it in the 2" and so on. There's a lot of possible reasons. And as the 2 will not be all in all "better" than the 1 (it's all subjective) but just different...people could be interested in trying both.

I was being slightly facetious with the "new and improved" bit. However, it is true. Let me use the most obvious examples...

Did you go back to playing SC1 after you bought and played SC2?

Did you go back to playing D1 after you bought and played D2?

I didn't in either case, but then again I didn't splurge on the collectors SC2.

Femmefatal · Aug 12, 2010, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

Seriously you guys they want us moving to gw2 the game which they'll be adding future content and expansions, they don't want a game population they are not making money off of.

Exactly, finally someone intelligent who realizes the obvious. +1 Karma to you my friend.

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2) Predicting that GW1 will eventually die is not rocket science, and not something we don't understand, however, if there is a chance to extent the life of the game, since GW2 will be such a radical departure and at the same time, make GW2 a more appealing buy, by offering the original game, with its lore and gameplay, then there is a good chance to extent the life and popularity of both titles.

And YOU don't see anything WRONG by your own (hell it's not even logical). NCsoft and even Anet are not making anymore profit off of GW1 and certainly don't want to keep doling out profits on keeping this redundant boring game alive after GW2 comes out. Even the most stupid business person would realize that. It's like a leeching son or daughter that keeps wanting to live at home with mom and dad they are just doling out their hard earned money for nothing in return.

I would leave GW1 behind in a New York minute for the profits and gains of GW2 and certainly wouldn't put something FREE into it like a money hogging grabbing game that GW1 is now. There's a point where the outgoing expenses outweigh the incoming revenue and profits and when that happens in a business you either sell the business or start firing people as has happened in the economy this last year or two and you close the door on that business (GW1).

As I said the majority of lemmings will goto GW2 from GW1. Only the diehard and foolish will remain behind in a dead world. Also, sure some of those old mmorpgs are still around but you goto the origional places and editions of them and look at all the ghost towns. Everquest is so dead in 3/4ths to 4/5ths of the game it's funny.

Humans are just like lemmings they follow each other around and they always goto the NEW and leave the old behind. New players are not going to want to play GW1 because there won't be anyone to play with.

Lawnmower · Aug 13, 2010, 08:12 AM // 08:12

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Originally Posted by Femmefatal

And YOU don't see anything WRONG by your own (hell it's not even logical). NCsoft and even Anet are not making anymore profit off of GW1 and certainly don't want to keep doling out profits on keeping this redundant boring game alive after GW2 comes out. Even the most stupid business person would realize that. It's like a leeching son or daughter that keeps wanting to live at home with mom and dad they are just doling out their hard earned money for nothing in return.

Read the thread. Seriously. Go look up the meaning of long term benefits. You're talking short minded profit, not what it means and what signals it sends in the bigger picture.

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I would leave GW1 behind in a New York minute for the profits and gains of GW2 and certainly wouldn't put something FREE into it like a money hogging grabbing game that GW1 is now. There's a point where the outgoing expenses outweigh the incoming revenue and profits and when that happens in a business you either sell the business or start firing people as has happened in the economy this last year or two and you close the door on that business (GW1).

None of knows those costs, so until ArenaNet comes out with a official statement, stop pretending like you do.

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As I said the majority of lemmings will goto GW2 from GW1. Only the diehard and foolish will remain behind in a dead world. Also, sure some of those old mmorpgs are still around but you goto the origional places and editions of them and look at all the ghost towns. Everquest is so dead in 3/4ths to 4/5ths of the game it's funny.

About EQ; That has more to do with it's incredible amount of expansions(over 10 I believe)! The world is simply so physically big, that even with WoW-like numbers, it would still be "ghost town" around certain parts.

Secondly, you don't know that. Why would foolish and diehard people keep playing GW2? What about people who want to play both? I play both KOTOR 1 and 2. Playing one of them, does not rule out the other.

And are you implying that people are foolish for playing old games?

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Humans are just like lemmings they follow each other around and they always goto the NEW and leave the old behind. New players are not going to want to play GW1 because there won't be anyone to play with.

Not true that all. Like every single short and narrow minded post you have made in this thread, it's full of horrible generalizations.
AC1 is still up, while AC2 was shut down years ago.
EQ1 is much bigger than EQ2!

And those games, were quite the same. Guild Wars 2 will be very different from what we can see. The lvl 20 cap experience, the dual professions, some of the classes, the insane amount of skills... All these things are not part of Guild Wars 2, which means that there is a reason for having two thriving game worlds.

Age · Aug 13, 2010, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Like said, it won't work like that...but it certainly is a kick in the groin if that's your main

Back on topic:

Why would someone who doesn't already have GW1 go back to playing it after trying the "new and improved" GW2? HoM rewards are going to be exclusive for the HoM, but they aren't going to give you an advantage and frankly the time spent title grinding can never be worth any silly title or skin you may get in GW2.

Yeah it is my main my Monk and why maybe to touch base with those who aren't playing GW2.I would say aswell to go back and play their favourite char that is being excluded from GW2.

Femmefatal · Aug 13, 2010, 09:46 AM // 09:46

Lawnboy Mower you would never survive in the world of business. You have no clue what you are talking about. But, at any rate I'm pretty positive Anet/NCsoft will not throw free money into the wind and bundle GW1 with GW2. That's all I need to know. You can go on with your delusions and narrowmindedness about blah blah blah and what you play but the MAJORITY is what will rue the day not your silly logic. NCsoft has already pulled the plug on two games Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa and well we all know history repeats itself. GW1 will have its plugged pulled as well.

Oh and one other BIG POINT you are leaving out of those other mmorpgs that are still alive. They are still collecting $15 a month fee to play them. You let any one of them stop charging and see how long that game stays up on the servers.

Mintha Syl · Aug 13, 2010, 10:00 AM // 10:00

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

I was being slightly facetious with the "new and improved" bit. However, it is true. Let me use the most obvious examples...

Did you go back to playing SC1 after you bought and played SC2?

Did you go back to playing D1 after you bought and played D2?

I didn't in either case, but then again I didn't splurge on the collectors SC2.

I never played the games you're naming, but I came back to NWN1 after playing NWN2 (and still consider the first one way better in many aspects) and know a lot of people who still prefer RO1 after playing both that and RO2. And that is valid for many other games. The link someone provided about 10-20 years ago mmorps still being played is a clear example I think.

Anon-e-mouse · Aug 13, 2010, 11:59 AM // 11:59

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Did you go back to playing SC1 after you bought and played SC2?

Did you go back to playing D1 after you bought and played D2?

I didn't in either case, but then again I didn't splurge on the collectors SC2.

I did splurge on the Collectors SC2, and yes I did go back to playing SC1, it works really well on my laptop which travels with me where my PC can't. Oh lookee GW1 also works well on my laptop, I'm really not going to be so sure about GW2.

Acumen · Aug 13, 2010, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by Femmefatal

Lawnboy Mower you would never survive in the world of business. You have no clue what you are talking about. But, at any rate I'm pretty positive Anet/NCsoft will not throw free money into the wind and bundle GW1 with GW2. That's all I need to know. You can go on with your delusions and narrowmindedness about blah blah blah and what you play but the MAJORITY is what will rue the day not your silly logic. NCsoft has already pulled the plug on two games Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa and well we all know history repeats itself. GW1 will have its plugged pulled as well.

Oh and one other BIG POINT you are leaving out of those other mmorpgs that are still alive. They are still collecting $15 a month fee to play them. You let any one of them stop charging and see how long that game stays up on the servers.

What convinces you so strongly that character slots/costumes/unlock packs/etc don't outweigh costs?

Lawnmower · Aug 14, 2010, 12:53 PM // 12:53

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Originally Posted by Femmefatal

Lawnboy Mower you would never survive in the world of business. You have no clue what you are talking about. But, at any rate I'm pretty positive Anet/NCsoft will not throw free money into the wind and bundle GW1 with GW2. That's all I need to know. You can go on with your delusions and narrowmindedness about blah blah blah and what you play but the MAJORITY is what will rue the day not your silly logic. NCsoft has already pulled the plug on two games Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa and well we all know history repeats itself. GW1 will have its plugged pulled as well.

Oh and one other BIG POINT you are leaving out of those other mmorpgs that are still alive. They are still collecting $15 a month fee to play them. You let any one of them stop charging and see how long that game stays up on the servers.

Cost efficency is at a different level than a full-blown MMORPG, so it's not comparable.
Secondly, if you're right then that's a shame.

You know what the difference between Tabula Rasa, Auto Assault and Guild Wars is?
The latter was an astounding succes, a modern classic, a PC pioneer that will no longer be able to be enjoyed.
Tabula Rasa and Auto Assault were failures that never flew off the grown for various reasons. Thats the difference. Their brands are not worth anything. Guild Wars as a brand is worth a lot.
Just think about it.

Again, look at Valve and Half-Life. They love Half-LIfe. They wanted to give HL2 for free to the people who bought Orange Box. So many people gifted HL2, because they had already played it to their friends - Who then played HL2, and got interested because it was such a timeless great game(older than GW).
I believe in GW, unlike you. You think it's a boring game, and it's dead. I don't. I think it still has legs, I think it will offer gameplay that GW2 can't. GW2 will have success in other areas, and that is why both games will be.

wilebill · Aug 14, 2010, 03:10 PM // 15:10

ANet Marketing probably has the strategy already set.

Just IMHO GW2 is enough of a draw on its own. No need to include a free Prophecies and confuse players new to the series.

Later on, if they wish to stimulate some GW 1 sales (more money is always good) then they can put in some attractive GW 2 quests with great loot or other enticement that require having GW 1. And, if you do have GW 1 then there is a nice time travel portal waiting for you, or you can start GW 1 manually. That is what I think they will do.

Jaimicchi · Aug 14, 2010, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Knowing nothing about the gaming industry, I don't think putting them in a bundle is a good idea. GW2 is not an expansion, it's a whole new game, with whole new rules and stuff. Plus, no monthly fees - can they really keep that up when giving away free games?

Lihinel · Aug 14, 2010, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Femmefatal

There's a point where the outgoing expenses outweigh the incoming revenue and profits and when that happens in a business you either sell the business or start firing people as has happened in the economy this last year or two and you close the door on that business (GW1).

But that point has not been reached and it may never come for GW1.
In the last quater alone, NCSoft saw 3.2 Millionen Euro from GW alone, thats enought to pay for the server upkeeping costs of ALL NCSoft games.**

GW could make a tiny fraction of that and still be profitable with a 10th or a 100th of the current playerbase. Server upkeeping costs of older games fall exponentially/halve every couple years.

*wartower news
*ncsoft report

Alex the Great · Aug 14, 2010, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by Femmefatal

If you put lipstick on a pig it's still a pig and that is all GW2 is going to be...GW1 with lipstick. It's just another donkey milking ploy to get more money out of the unknowing. Sure it'll have some changes but not enough to give it a complete makeover just some lipstick and maybe some eyegloss (graphics) and it will be the same boring game GW1 is now. Until they start adding real content like upgraded weapons stats, armor stats like real rpgs do it then it'll never be what GW1 was upon release.

I'd still be playing the greater games like Everquest and WOW if they didn't charge $15 a month to play them. Because they have what I like best....something to play for and go after. Once you have a 15^50 weapon and runed out your plain jane armor of the same stats as Obsidian armor there's nothing else to play for except the titles which are useless save a handful like wisdom and treasure hunter and even those aren't worth squat once you have max weapon and max armor runed out.

GW1 was fun when it was new and unexplored but that didn't take long and then it's just redundant bs. You can tell because of all the solo farmers now. The end game isn't PVP it's just becoming a redundant farmer and whining about nerfing their favorite easy farming builds. That's all GW is anymore. I often wonder what the hell they are farming for? They don't have anything more than I have except a numerical value of gold or umpteen jillion ectos that are useless unless you are just so vain you gotta have a 15^50 torment weapon instead of a 15^50 plain old weapon. You don't even get to see the damn weapons in towns and outposts and who the hell has time to look at anything when you're rushing through the content?

But Barnum was right a fool and his money are soon departed.

1. Most of us don't want to run on an endless treadmill to be able to play the game at a high level
2. the reason why those games have constantly upgrading stats is because they want you to keep paying that $15 a month
3. Have you payed attention to GW2? It's going to be way different.
4. baseless Metaphors= logical fallacy

Go play wow. you can't afford $.50 a day?

Quaker · Aug 15, 2010, 02:27 AM // 02:27

Actually, I'd have to take back what I said before. Giving GW1, particularly just Prophecies, for free with GW2 may make sense as a marketing tool - provided that they basically give you only one key that provides both. Since you would only have one account, you'd only be able to play one or the other anyway.
For some reason I was thinking that the free Prophecies would be a separate thing - and maybe that's what some of you were thinking - but I'm sure that's not gonna happen.

Lawnmower · Aug 15, 2010, 09:55 AM // 09:55

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Actually, I'd have to take back what I said before. Giving GW1, particularly just Prophecies, for free with GW2 may make sense as a marketing tool - provided that they basically give you only one key that provides both. Since you would only have one account, you'd only be able to play one or the other anyway.
For some reason I was thinking that the free Prophecies would be a separate thing - and maybe that's what some of you were thinking - but I'm sure that's not gonna happen.

The details of what I am suggesting mate, I don't think is that important. It's more just that they keep GW alive, and well. If they wanted to do it through pre-order, or with the special edition, that's certainly possibilities too, but the point is just to let it be alive.

I just bought Mass Effect 2, and am having fun with it. Now I want to play Mass Effect 1. Wouldn't it suck if I couldn't play Mass Effect 1, just because they closed the game down?
ME2 is a better game, but I still want to play ME1. It's different, it has a different setting and story, and it's own feel. One does not rule out the other.

I think with Guild Wars, they need to reduce all districts, into international districts. At least for the less populated outposts, so people have more of a chance to spot people. There will be a language barrier, but so what? Is it a better result to have 2 people in the french district, 1 in the german, and 3 in the english one, when you could have 6 people in the international and at least simulate a feeling of a population, and higher chance to start a group?

Secondly, if they made Heroes in Prophercies, it would be much easier for GW2 players to get "into" GW. Just make the Henchmen, Heroes-like. They wont be talking during cut scenes, but they can be commanded, and learned skills.

Quaker · Aug 15, 2010, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

The details of what I am suggesting mate, I don't think is that important. It's more just that they keep GW alive, and well.

ANet have stated that GW1 will continue as long as there are people playing it. But, that being said, there is no reason, other than promoting GW2, for ANet to want to keep GW1 "alive". It is just a drain on resources - it may be a small drain, and it may be covered by the revenue stream, but....

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I just bought Mass Effect 2, and am having fun with it. Now I want to play Mass Effect 1. Wouldn't it suck if I couldn't play Mass Effect 1, just because they closed the game down?

Near as I can tell ME1 & 2 are not MMOs. There may be some connectivity with other players over the internet, but they are essentially stand alone games that you play on your own Xbox or PC. So, the idea of Bioware "closing them down" does not apply. What are they going to do, come to your house and take ME1 and/or your Xbox away?

LAT · Aug 15, 2010, 05:46 PM // 17:46

This is a great idea, just give prophecies out for free, to allow players new to gw go back an experience how the original was. Or maybe make a gw2 lore edition with prophecies and eotn for like 5-10$ extra, it would be a really great way to get the lore bridged together.

I cant really talk about playing the predecessors in mmorpgs since gw is the only one i have ever played, but i still play some older games like homm 1,3 and 4, civ3 and sc1, even if i never play sc2 and homm5. They are just different games, even if they are from the series.